Discussion:
RIP Dimebag Darrell - Slain on same date as John Lennon
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The Magnificent Bastard
2004-12-09 23:50:42 UTC
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/09/nightclub.shooting/index.html

What a twist of fate that two of the greatest musical performers of all
time were slain by a gun-wielding madman on the same date, 24 years
apart.

Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.

RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
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Chocolate Jesus
2004-12-09 23:59:59 UTC
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Post by The Magnificent Bastard
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/09/nightclub.shooting/index.html
What a twist of fate that two of the greatest musical performers of all
time were slain by a gun-wielding madman on the same date, 24 years
apart.
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
um, no we wont.
ArchieLeach
2004-12-10 00:29:09 UTC
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Post by The Magnificent Bastard
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/09/nightclub.shooting/index.html
What a twist of fate that two of the greatest musical performers of all
time were slain by a gun-wielding madman on the same date, 24 years
apart.
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
Anyone holding such thoughts is under the influence of far more than a
dimebag...
Keith Patrick
2004-12-10 00:48:11 UTC
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I don't think Dimebag was more influential than Lennon, obviously, but he
really was one of the most influential metal guitarists of all time. His
riffs were grounded in blues and Texas rock with a very distinctive wail
that came at a time when the big metal icon, Metallica, was adopting some of
the grunge (and country) sound. When a lot of Metallica fans were angry
with the band for "selling out," it was Pantera that led the other branch
towards heavier, uncompromising thrash metal. Some folks may not like his
sound, but he really was a damn good guitarist who had a tremendous
influence on metal. He's a legend.
Post by ArchieLeach
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/09/nightclub.shooting/index.html
What a twist of fate that two of the greatest musical performers of all
time were slain by a gun-wielding madman on the same date, 24 years
apart.
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
Anyone holding such thoughts is under the influence of far more than a
dimebag...
calaf
2004-12-10 12:01:46 UTC
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It's kind of sad, but I'd never heard of him before his death. I'd
heard of Pantera, sure. But now that I've heard all these descriptions
of what kind of music he played, I'll definitely give some of his music
a spin.
Post by Keith Patrick
I don't think Dimebag was more influential than Lennon, obviously, but he
really was one of the most influential metal guitarists of all time. His
riffs were grounded in blues and Texas rock with a very distinctive wail
that came at a time when the big metal icon, Metallica, was adopting some of
the grunge (and country) sound. When a lot of Metallica fans were angry
with the band for "selling out," it was Pantera that led the other branch
towards heavier, uncompromising thrash metal. Some folks may not like his
sound, but he really was a damn good guitarist who had a tremendous
influence on metal. He's a legend.
Post by ArchieLeach
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/09/nightclub.shooting/index.html
What a twist of fate that two of the greatest musical performers of all
time were slain by a gun-wielding madman on the same date, 24 years
apart.
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
Anyone holding such thoughts is under the influence of far more than a
dimebag...
Philip
2004-12-10 12:57:31 UTC
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Post by calaf
It's kind of sad, but I'd never heard of him before his death. I'd
heard of Pantera, sure. But now that I've heard all these descriptions
of what kind of music he played, I'll definitely give some of his music
a spin.
I imagine a lot of Pantera and Damageplan albums are going to empty from the
shelves. I had to search through my collection to resupply my truck with
Pantera discs. It'd been to long.
Post by calaf
Post by Keith Patrick
I don't think Dimebag was more influential than Lennon, obviously, but he
really was one of the most influential metal guitarists of all time.
His
Post by calaf
Post by Keith Patrick
riffs were grounded in blues and Texas rock with a very distinctive wail
that came at a time when the big metal icon, Metallica, was adopting some of
the grunge (and country) sound. When a lot of Metallica fans were angry
with the band for "selling out," it was Pantera that led the other branch
towards heavier, uncompromising thrash metal. Some folks may not like his
sound, but he really was a damn good guitarist who had a tremendous
influence on metal. He's a legend.
Post by ArchieLeach
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/09/nightclub.shooting/index.html
What a twist of fate that two of the greatest musical performers of all
time were slain by a gun-wielding madman on the same date, 24 years
apart.
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
Anyone holding such thoughts is under the influence of far more than a
dimebag...
Chocolate Jesus
2004-12-10 13:09:53 UTC
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Post by calaf
It's kind of sad, but I'd never heard of him before his death.
right.

and why would you?

the guy was a fucking loser.

period.


LOL!


in fact, these half-step detune morons deserve shooting on a regular
basis..;0)
e***@mail.com
2004-12-10 18:23:05 UTC
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:09:53 +1100, "Chocolate Jesus"
Post by Chocolate Jesus
in fact, these half-step detune morons deserve shooting on a regular
basis..;0)
I am just amazed at the irony. I have always thought listening to
heavy metal was similar to being shot at point blank range in the
chest. And now... this.

Maybe the guy thought he was doing dimebag a favor. But still,
euthanasia is a crime....

Wonder what is holding up all the video tapes. Somebody must have been
filming....
Chocolate Jesus
2004-12-11 05:36:16 UTC
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Post by e***@mail.com
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:09:53 +1100, "Chocolate Jesus"
Post by Chocolate Jesus
in fact, these half-step detune morons deserve shooting on a regular
basis..;0)
I am just amazed at the irony. I have always thought listening to
heavy metal was similar to being shot at point blank range in the
chest. And now... this.
Maybe the guy thought he was doing dimebag a favor. But still,
euthanasia is a crime....
Wonder what is holding up all the video tapes. Somebody must have been
filming....
it'll be out there soon..:)
Neon Knight
2004-12-10 01:21:41 UTC
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Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry to laugh at a time like this but that's the most ridiculous
statement I've ever heard. You must be awfully young.

RIP Dime!!
BucketButt
2004-12-10 03:32:43 UTC
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Please don't feed the troll.
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Bubba
2004-12-10 03:37:56 UTC
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Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives >or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
Lennon touched the lives of hundreds of millions. Dimebag, yes an innovative
guitarist, wasn't even in the same planet, let alone the same league as the
Beatles.
The Magnificent Bastard
2004-12-10 03:44:04 UTC
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Post by Bubba
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives >or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
Lennon touched the lives of hundreds of millions. Dimebag, yes an innovative
guitarist, wasn't even in the same planet, let alone the same league as the
Beatles.
They were all on the planet earth, so you're wrong on that count. I
don't know about any "leagues" they were in. Is there some sort of
rockstar league? Do they play soccer or basketball........or something
else?
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Pantera Fan
2004-12-10 09:53:32 UTC
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Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.

The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.

But to compare Darrel or anyone from this genre which I love called
"Metal" or whatever to Lennon as far as "Touching many lives" is
absurd.

The Team of Lennon/Mcartney were arguably the greatest songwriting duo
popular music has ever seen!

Talk about apples and oranges.
The Magnificent Bastard
2004-12-10 22:01:03 UTC
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Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
Post by Pantera Fan
But to compare Darrel or anyone from this genre which I love called
"Metal" or whatever to Lennon as far as "Touching many lives" is
absurd.
The Team of Lennon/Mcartney were arguably the greatest songwriting duo
popular music has ever seen!
Take a look at the grammy nominations, the # 1 debuts, and the sales
that Pantera had. Then you'll see that the comparison is not off base.
Post by Pantera Fan
Talk about apples and oranges.
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Greg Henry
2004-12-10 23:23:09 UTC
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Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
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Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Dirk van der Heide
2004-12-11 06:05:36 UTC
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Post by Greg Henry
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
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Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Although they were not of my generation (I was born in the 1920s), I thought
ABBA a fairly entertaining act! The lyrics to "Fernando" were especially
poignant to me, for obvious reasons. They were certainly one of the more
palatable of the hard rock acts of the 1970s, and one of the few to become
television stars in their own right!
Greg Henry
2004-12-11 16:33:44 UTC
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Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Greg Henry
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
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Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Although they were not of my generation (I was born in the 1920s), I thought
ABBA a fairly entertaining act! The lyrics to "Fernando" were especially
poignant to me, for obvious reasons. They were certainly one of the more
palatable of the hard rock acts of the 1970s, and one of the few to become
television stars in their own right!
OK, OK! Sorry to drag the ABB-sters through the mud like that.
AC
2004-12-11 17:09:35 UTC
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:33:44 -0500,
Post by Greg Henry
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Greg Henry
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
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whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Although they were not of my generation (I was born in the 1920s), I thought
ABBA a fairly entertaining act! The lyrics to "Fernando" were especially
poignant to me, for obvious reasons. They were certainly one of the more
palatable of the hard rock acts of the 1970s, and one of the few to become
television stars in their own right!
OK, OK! Sorry to drag the ABB-sters through the mud like that.
Don't be. Most of their music was amorphous crap. They had some pretty
neat production techniques (which was why Led Zeppelin headed off to Polar
Studios to record what would be their last album), but as far as music goes,
it stands out because it was the best in a sea of crapola. I find most of
their stuff pretty unlistenable.
--
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whitish fluid they force down helpless babies." - WC Fields
Dirk van der Heide
2004-12-11 23:29:22 UTC
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Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:33:44 -0500,
Post by Greg Henry
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Greg Henry
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
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whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Although they were not of my generation (I was born in the 1920s), I thought
ABBA a fairly entertaining act! The lyrics to "Fernando" were especially
poignant to me, for obvious reasons. They were certainly one of the more
palatable of the hard rock acts of the 1970s, and one of the few to become
television stars in their own right!
OK, OK! Sorry to drag the ABB-sters through the mud like that.
Don't be. Most of their music was amorphous crap. They had some pretty
neat production techniques (which was why Led Zeppelin headed off to Polar
Studios to record what would be their last album), but as far as music goes,
it stands out because it was the best in a sea of crapola. I find most of
their stuff pretty unlistenable.
Well, we are not all equipped with the sensitivity to appreciate certain
kinds of music, or to be receptive to its appeal to our emotions! Perhaps
you are more visually inclined, and would enjoy painting or sculpture. I
feel strongly that there is a category of art for everone, if we will only
take the time to discover it!
AC
2004-12-12 00:59:36 UTC
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:29:22 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:33:44 -0500,
Post by Greg Henry
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Greg Henry
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Although they were not of my generation (I was born in the 1920s), I thought
ABBA a fairly entertaining act! The lyrics to "Fernando" were especially
poignant to me, for obvious reasons. They were certainly one of the more
palatable of the hard rock acts of the 1970s, and one of the few to become
television stars in their own right!
OK, OK! Sorry to drag the ABB-sters through the mud like that.
Don't be. Most of their music was amorphous crap. They had some pretty
neat production techniques (which was why Led Zeppelin headed off to Polar
Studios to record what would be their last album), but as far as music goes,
it stands out because it was the best in a sea of crapola. I find most of
their stuff pretty unlistenable.
Well, we are not all equipped with the sensitivity to appreciate certain
kinds of music, or to be receptive to its appeal to our emotions! Perhaps
you are more visually inclined, and would enjoy painting or sculpture. I
feel strongly that there is a category of art for everone, if we will only
take the time to discover it!
Are you always this patronizing and bumbling at insults? Are you actually
saying that if someone doesn't like Abba they don't appreciate music? What
a load of crap. I love music a'plenty; classical, blues, folk, rock and
even the odd country artist (almost totally from a few generations ago, this
pop-with-a-twang is rubbish).

Go listen to your Abba records.
--
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"Will you kindly explain to me the reasons to debar individuals in certain
branches from rising by merit to commissioned rank? If a cook may rise, or a
steward, why not an electrical artificer or au ordnance rating or a
shipwright? If a telegraphist may rise, why not a painter? Apparently there
is no difficulty about painters rising in Germany!" - Winston Churchill
Dirk van der Heide
2004-12-13 04:42:34 UTC
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Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:29:22 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:33:44 -0500,
Post by Greg Henry
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Greg Henry
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Although they were not of my generation (I was born in the 1920s), I thought
ABBA a fairly entertaining act! The lyrics to "Fernando" were especially
poignant to me, for obvious reasons. They were certainly one of the more
palatable of the hard rock acts of the 1970s, and one of the few to become
television stars in their own right!
OK, OK! Sorry to drag the ABB-sters through the mud like that.
Don't be. Most of their music was amorphous crap. They had some pretty
neat production techniques (which was why Led Zeppelin headed off to Polar
Studios to record what would be their last album), but as far as music goes,
it stands out because it was the best in a sea of crapola. I find most of
their stuff pretty unlistenable.
Well, we are not all equipped with the sensitivity to appreciate certain
kinds of music, or to be receptive to its appeal to our emotions! Perhaps
you are more visually inclined, and would enjoy painting or sculpture. I
feel strongly that there is a category of art for everone, if we will only
take the time to discover it!
Are you always this patronizing and bumbling at insults? Are you actually
saying that if someone doesn't like Abba they don't appreciate music? What
a load of crap. I love music a'plenty; classical, blues, folk, rock and
even the odd country artist (almost totally from a few generations ago, this
pop-with-a-twang is rubbish).
Go listen to your Abba records.
Please do not be upset, I am only saying that different people can
appreciate different things! As your preferences tend toward the, shall we
say, earthier forms of music, perhaps you are not able to understand the
appeal of ABBA, with their layered vocal harmonies and use of the piano as
"front and center" instrument. As I have suggested, they were very much the
more melodically complex of the hard rock acts!
AC
2004-12-13 04:54:57 UTC
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:42:34 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:29:22 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:33:44 -0500,
Post by Greg Henry
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Greg Henry
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Although they were not of my generation (I was born in the 1920s), I thought
ABBA a fairly entertaining act! The lyrics to "Fernando" were especially
poignant to me, for obvious reasons. They were certainly one of the more
palatable of the hard rock acts of the 1970s, and one of the few to become
television stars in their own right!
OK, OK! Sorry to drag the ABB-sters through the mud like that.
Don't be. Most of their music was amorphous crap. They had some pretty
neat production techniques (which was why Led Zeppelin headed off to Polar
Studios to record what would be their last album), but as far as music goes,
it stands out because it was the best in a sea of crapola. I find most of
their stuff pretty unlistenable.
Well, we are not all equipped with the sensitivity to appreciate certain
kinds of music, or to be receptive to its appeal to our emotions! Perhaps
you are more visually inclined, and would enjoy painting or sculpture. I
feel strongly that there is a category of art for everone, if we will only
take the time to discover it!
Are you always this patronizing and bumbling at insults? Are you actually
saying that if someone doesn't like Abba they don't appreciate music? What
a load of crap. I love music a'plenty; classical, blues, folk, rock and
even the odd country artist (almost totally from a few generations ago, this
pop-with-a-twang is rubbish).
Go listen to your Abba records.
Please do not be upset, I am only saying that different people can
appreciate different things! As your preferences tend toward the, shall we
say, earthier forms of music, perhaps you are not able to understand the
appeal of ABBA, with their layered vocal harmonies and use of the piano as
"front and center" instrument. As I have suggested, they were very much the
more melodically complex of the hard rock acts!
How the hell do you know what my tastes tend to? Believe me, I enjoy some
the Bee Gees harmonizations (though they pretty much went down the shitter
by the mid-70s). I'm quite able to appreciate the technical abilities of
the performers in Abba, and particularly the production talents, but the
music just doesn't work for me. It's not terribly good, and is very dated.

Oh, and you seem to have a very odd definition of "hard rock". My idea of
hard rock bands are Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. John
Lennon did harder stuff than Abba ever did, and I wouldn't call him hard
rock. Abba is simply pop music, and damn little of it even vaguely
resembles rock.
--
Aaron Clausen
***@hotmail.com

"Will you kindly explain to me the reasons to debar individuals in certain
branches from rising by merit to commissioned rank? If a cook may rise, or a
steward, why not an electrical artificer or au ordnance rating or a
shipwright? If a telegraphist may rise, why not a painter? Apparently there
is no difficulty about painters rising in Germany!" - Winston Churchill
Dirk van der Heide
2004-12-13 05:58:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by AC
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:42:34 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:29:22 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:33:44 -0500,
Post by Greg Henry
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Greg Henry
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Although they were not of my generation (I was born in the 1920s), I thought
ABBA a fairly entertaining act! The lyrics to "Fernando" were especially
poignant to me, for obvious reasons. They were certainly one of the more
palatable of the hard rock acts of the 1970s, and one of the few to become
television stars in their own right!
OK, OK! Sorry to drag the ABB-sters through the mud like that.
Don't be. Most of their music was amorphous crap. They had some pretty
neat production techniques (which was why Led Zeppelin headed off to Polar
Studios to record what would be their last album), but as far as music goes,
it stands out because it was the best in a sea of crapola. I find most of
their stuff pretty unlistenable.
Well, we are not all equipped with the sensitivity to appreciate certain
kinds of music, or to be receptive to its appeal to our emotions! Perhaps
you are more visually inclined, and would enjoy painting or sculpture. I
feel strongly that there is a category of art for everone, if we will only
take the time to discover it!
Are you always this patronizing and bumbling at insults? Are you actually
saying that if someone doesn't like Abba they don't appreciate music? What
a load of crap. I love music a'plenty; classical, blues, folk, rock and
even the odd country artist (almost totally from a few generations ago, this
pop-with-a-twang is rubbish).
Go listen to your Abba records.
Please do not be upset, I am only saying that different people can
appreciate different things! As your preferences tend toward the, shall we
say, earthier forms of music, perhaps you are not able to understand the
appeal of ABBA, with their layered vocal harmonies and use of the piano as
"front and center" instrument. As I have suggested, they were very much the
more melodically complex of the hard rock acts!
How the hell do you know what my tastes tend to? Believe me, I enjoy some
the Bee Gees harmonizations (though they pretty much went down the shitter
by the mid-70s). I'm quite able to appreciate the technical abilities of
the performers in Abba, and particularly the production talents, but the
music just doesn't work for me. It's not terribly good, and is very dated.
Oh, and you seem to have a very odd definition of "hard rock". My idea of
hard rock bands are Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. John
Lennon did harder stuff than Abba ever did, and I wouldn't call him hard
rock. Abba is simply pop music, and damn little of it even vaguely
resembles rock.
I do wish you would not be angry with me. As I said before, I am not a
member of the "rock generation," as I assume you are. If I have an old
man's tastes, it is not to be helped!

I can only tell you that when I first heard ABBA, I understood them
immediately to be a hard rock band, but yet I could hear in their songs an
appeal to my generation's taste for developed harmony, dynamic tension, and
pleasing countermelody that set them off from their fellow rock
musicians--most of whom still looked to the primitive folk songs of
late-19th century American workingmen for their musical inspiration.

I would include the Bee Gees in that latter category, by the way. Their
harmonies were quite simple and derived from the same shanty-song tradition
that most rock music does. This probably explains their appeal to you.
Again, please do not be upset with me as I do not mean to say that you are
not sophisticated! Sophistication takes different forms, in different
people, and that is one of the beautiful things about it. Yours surely lies
elsewhere than music.

Yours,
Dirk van der Heide
b***@vh52.com
2004-12-13 05:10:58 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:58:56 -0800, Dirk van der Heide
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I can only tell you that when I first heard ABBA, I understood them
immediately to be a hard rock band,
LOL

(snip) rest off assnine drivel.
below is a link that may partially explain the writers state of mind.


http://Dirk.van.der.Heide.swellserver.com/news/top_stories/worldrecord.php
AC
2004-12-13 15:11:55 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:58:56 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:42:34 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:29:22 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:33:44 -0500,
Post by Greg Henry
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Greg Henry
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Although they were not of my generation (I was born in the 1920s), I thought
ABBA a fairly entertaining act! The lyrics to "Fernando" were especially
poignant to me, for obvious reasons. They were certainly one of the more
palatable of the hard rock acts of the 1970s, and one of the few to become
television stars in their own right!
OK, OK! Sorry to drag the ABB-sters through the mud like that.
Don't be. Most of their music was amorphous crap. They had some pretty
neat production techniques (which was why Led Zeppelin headed off to Polar
Studios to record what would be their last album), but as far as music goes,
it stands out because it was the best in a sea of crapola. I find most of
their stuff pretty unlistenable.
Well, we are not all equipped with the sensitivity to appreciate certain
kinds of music, or to be receptive to its appeal to our emotions! Perhaps
you are more visually inclined, and would enjoy painting or sculpture. I
feel strongly that there is a category of art for everone, if we will only
take the time to discover it!
Are you always this patronizing and bumbling at insults? Are you actually
saying that if someone doesn't like Abba they don't appreciate music? What
a load of crap. I love music a'plenty; classical, blues, folk, rock and
even the odd country artist (almost totally from a few generations ago, this
pop-with-a-twang is rubbish).
Go listen to your Abba records.
Please do not be upset, I am only saying that different people can
appreciate different things! As your preferences tend toward the, shall we
say, earthier forms of music, perhaps you are not able to understand the
appeal of ABBA, with their layered vocal harmonies and use of the piano as
"front and center" instrument. As I have suggested, they were very much the
more melodically complex of the hard rock acts!
How the hell do you know what my tastes tend to? Believe me, I enjoy some
the Bee Gees harmonizations (though they pretty much went down the shitter
by the mid-70s). I'm quite able to appreciate the technical abilities of
the performers in Abba, and particularly the production talents, but the
music just doesn't work for me. It's not terribly good, and is very dated.
Oh, and you seem to have a very odd definition of "hard rock". My idea of
hard rock bands are Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. John
Lennon did harder stuff than Abba ever did, and I wouldn't call him hard
rock. Abba is simply pop music, and damn little of it even vaguely
resembles rock.
I do wish you would not be angry with me. As I said before, I am not a
member of the "rock generation," as I assume you are. If I have an old
man's tastes, it is not to be helped!
I can only tell you that when I first heard ABBA, I understood them
immediately to be a hard rock band,
Hard rock bands are dominated by loud guitars, thudding, almost
percussion-like bass and loud drumming. Abba contains none of these things.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
but yet I could hear in their songs an
appeal to my generation's taste for developed harmony, dynamic tension, and
pleasing countermelody that set them off from their fellow rock
musicians--most of whom still looked to the primitive folk songs of
late-19th century American workingmen for their musical inspiration.
Abba isn't a rock band. I can't, off the top of my head, think of anything
Abba did that would, musically, be defined as rock and roll, or even vaguely
bluesy. They segued neatly into the Disco era, though I think resemblences
to Disco acts is only in passing.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I would include the Bee Gees in that latter category, by the way. Their
harmonies were quite simple and derived from the same shanty-song tradition
that most rock music does. This probably explains their appeal to you.
Again, please do not be upset with me as I do not mean to say that you are
not sophisticated! Sophistication takes different forms, in different
people, and that is one of the beautiful things about it. Yours surely lies
elsewhere than music.
I was not attempting to say that the Bee Gees made complex music, but rather
that I am not allergic to music that doesn't sit right on top of the rock
paradigm. Oh, and you're being ludicrously patronizing again, which is
funny, because you don't even seem to know what rock and roll is.
--
Aaron Clausen
***@hotmail.com

"Will you kindly explain to me the reasons to debar individuals in certain
branches from rising by merit to commissioned rank? If a cook may rise, or a
steward, why not an electrical artificer or au ordnance rating or a
shipwright? If a telegraphist may rise, why not a painter? Apparently there
is no difficulty about painters rising in Germany!" - Winston Churchill
Dirk van der Heide
2004-12-14 05:21:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by b***@vh52.com
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:58:56 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:42:34 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:29:22 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:33:44 -0500,
Post by Greg Henry
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Greg Henry
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Although they were not of my generation (I was born in the 1920s), I thought
ABBA a fairly entertaining act! The lyrics to "Fernando" were especially
poignant to me, for obvious reasons. They were certainly one of the more
palatable of the hard rock acts of the 1970s, and one of the few to become
television stars in their own right!
OK, OK! Sorry to drag the ABB-sters through the mud like that.
Don't be. Most of their music was amorphous crap. They had some pretty
neat production techniques (which was why Led Zeppelin headed off to Polar
Studios to record what would be their last album), but as far as music goes,
it stands out because it was the best in a sea of crapola. I find most of
their stuff pretty unlistenable.
Well, we are not all equipped with the sensitivity to appreciate certain
kinds of music, or to be receptive to its appeal to our emotions! Perhaps
you are more visually inclined, and would enjoy painting or sculpture. I
feel strongly that there is a category of art for everone, if we will only
take the time to discover it!
Are you always this patronizing and bumbling at insults? Are you actually
saying that if someone doesn't like Abba they don't appreciate music? What
a load of crap. I love music a'plenty; classical, blues, folk, rock and
even the odd country artist (almost totally from a few generations ago, this
pop-with-a-twang is rubbish).
Go listen to your Abba records.
Please do not be upset, I am only saying that different people can
appreciate different things! As your preferences tend toward the, shall we
say, earthier forms of music, perhaps you are not able to understand the
appeal of ABBA, with their layered vocal harmonies and use of the piano as
"front and center" instrument. As I have suggested, they were very much the
more melodically complex of the hard rock acts!
How the hell do you know what my tastes tend to? Believe me, I enjoy some
the Bee Gees harmonizations (though they pretty much went down the shitter
by the mid-70s). I'm quite able to appreciate the technical abilities of
the performers in Abba, and particularly the production talents, but the
music just doesn't work for me. It's not terribly good, and is very dated.
Oh, and you seem to have a very odd definition of "hard rock". My idea of
hard rock bands are Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. John
Lennon did harder stuff than Abba ever did, and I wouldn't call him hard
rock. Abba is simply pop music, and damn little of it even vaguely
resembles rock.
I do wish you would not be angry with me. As I said before, I am not a
member of the "rock generation," as I assume you are. If I have an old
man's tastes, it is not to be helped!
I can only tell you that when I first heard ABBA, I understood them
immediately to be a hard rock band,
Hard rock bands are dominated by loud guitars, thudding, almost
percussion-like bass and loud drumming. Abba contains none of these things.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
but yet I could hear in their songs an
appeal to my generation's taste for developed harmony, dynamic tension, and
pleasing countermelody that set them off from their fellow rock
musicians--most of whom still looked to the primitive folk songs of
late-19th century American workingmen for their musical inspiration.
Abba isn't a rock band. I can't, off the top of my head, think of anything
Abba did that would, musically, be defined as rock and roll, or even vaguely
bluesy. They segued neatly into the Disco era, though I think resemblences
to Disco acts is only in passing.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I would include the Bee Gees in that latter category, by the way. Their
harmonies were quite simple and derived from the same shanty-song tradition
that most rock music does. This probably explains their appeal to you.
Again, please do not be upset with me as I do not mean to say that you are
not sophisticated! Sophistication takes different forms, in different
people, and that is one of the beautiful things about it. Yours surely lies
elsewhere than music.
I was not attempting to say that the Bee Gees made complex music, but rather
that I am not allergic to music that doesn't sit right on top of the rock
paradigm. Oh, and you're being ludicrously patronizing again, which is
funny, because you don't even seem to know what rock and roll is.
As I say, I do very much regret it if I have upset you, as it seems that I
have. It was not my intention to hurt your feelings.

I ask you to understand, though, that I bring a lifetime's experience in
music appreciation to this talk! I am, as I say, an older fellow (in
"advanced middle age," as I prefer to call it), but I do know how to tell
one instrument apart from another, particularly piano from guitar. I was
not born in the Stone Age, after all! Percussion and bass, especially, have
not changed much mechanically in the last century.

And what sort of percussion and bass has ABBA, then, if not "loud" and
"thudding"? Certainly more so than some of their contemporaries, like Leo
Sayer or even Wings! I do not count the slow ballads in this, of course.
But all rock bands have ballads, including those others I have just named.

Moreover, if you cannot hear the guitar in ABBA's music, you either do not
listen closely enough, or do not know what to listen for. Again, I say this
without the intent to hurt your feelings. I have stressed over and over
that you surely have the ability to take in other forms of art with some
discernment.

I shall lay off of any further discussion of the Bee Gees, as this seems to
be rather a hot button issue with you. In my defense, please know that I
never accused you, if it can be called that, of thinking the Bee Gees
complicated.

Yours in friendship,
Dirk van der Heide
AC
2004-12-14 05:57:27 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:21:49 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by b***@vh52.com
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:58:56 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:42:34 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:29:22 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:33:44 -0500,
Post by Greg Henry
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Greg Henry
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Although they were not of my generation (I was born in the 1920s), I thought
ABBA a fairly entertaining act! The lyrics to "Fernando" were especially
poignant to me, for obvious reasons. They were certainly one of the more
palatable of the hard rock acts of the 1970s, and one of the few to become
television stars in their own right!
OK, OK! Sorry to drag the ABB-sters through the mud like that.
Don't be. Most of their music was amorphous crap. They had some pretty
neat production techniques (which was why Led Zeppelin headed off to Polar
Studios to record what would be their last album), but as far as music goes,
it stands out because it was the best in a sea of crapola. I find most of
their stuff pretty unlistenable.
Well, we are not all equipped with the sensitivity to appreciate certain
kinds of music, or to be receptive to its appeal to our emotions! Perhaps
you are more visually inclined, and would enjoy painting or sculpture. I
feel strongly that there is a category of art for everone, if we will only
take the time to discover it!
Are you always this patronizing and bumbling at insults? Are you actually
saying that if someone doesn't like Abba they don't appreciate music? What
a load of crap. I love music a'plenty; classical, blues, folk, rock and
even the odd country artist (almost totally from a few generations ago, this
pop-with-a-twang is rubbish).
Go listen to your Abba records.
Please do not be upset, I am only saying that different people can
appreciate different things! As your preferences tend toward the, shall we
say, earthier forms of music, perhaps you are not able to understand the
appeal of ABBA, with their layered vocal harmonies and use of the piano as
"front and center" instrument. As I have suggested, they were very much the
more melodically complex of the hard rock acts!
How the hell do you know what my tastes tend to? Believe me, I enjoy some
the Bee Gees harmonizations (though they pretty much went down the shitter
by the mid-70s). I'm quite able to appreciate the technical abilities of
the performers in Abba, and particularly the production talents, but the
music just doesn't work for me. It's not terribly good, and is very dated.
Oh, and you seem to have a very odd definition of "hard rock". My idea of
hard rock bands are Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. John
Lennon did harder stuff than Abba ever did, and I wouldn't call him hard
rock. Abba is simply pop music, and damn little of it even vaguely
resembles rock.
I do wish you would not be angry with me. As I said before, I am not a
member of the "rock generation," as I assume you are. If I have an old
man's tastes, it is not to be helped!
I can only tell you that when I first heard ABBA, I understood them
immediately to be a hard rock band,
Hard rock bands are dominated by loud guitars, thudding, almost
percussion-like bass and loud drumming. Abba contains none of these things.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
but yet I could hear in their songs an
appeal to my generation's taste for developed harmony, dynamic tension, and
pleasing countermelody that set them off from their fellow rock
musicians--most of whom still looked to the primitive folk songs of
late-19th century American workingmen for their musical inspiration.
Abba isn't a rock band. I can't, off the top of my head, think of anything
Abba did that would, musically, be defined as rock and roll, or even vaguely
bluesy. They segued neatly into the Disco era, though I think resemblences
to Disco acts is only in passing.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I would include the Bee Gees in that latter category, by the way. Their
harmonies were quite simple and derived from the same shanty-song tradition
that most rock music does. This probably explains their appeal to you.
Again, please do not be upset with me as I do not mean to say that you are
not sophisticated! Sophistication takes different forms, in different
people, and that is one of the beautiful things about it. Yours surely lies
elsewhere than music.
I was not attempting to say that the Bee Gees made complex music, but rather
that I am not allergic to music that doesn't sit right on top of the rock
paradigm. Oh, and you're being ludicrously patronizing again, which is
funny, because you don't even seem to know what rock and roll is.
As I say, I do very much regret it if I have upset you, as it seems that I
have. It was not my intention to hurt your feelings.
It does seem to be your intention to try to read a great deal into the
tastes of someone you don't know.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I ask you to understand, though, that I bring a lifetime's experience in
music appreciation to this talk!
And yet you don't seem to know what hard rock is.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I am, as I say, an older fellow (in
"advanced middle age," as I prefer to call it), but I do know how to tell
one instrument apart from another, particularly piano from guitar. I was
not born in the Stone Age, after all! Percussion and bass, especially, have
not changed much mechanically in the last century.
The volume of them has. No one from the Big Band era used heavily distorted
guitars and bass. I doubt you would have heard Stairway to Heaven in 1955.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
And what sort of percussion and bass has ABBA, then, if not "loud" and
"thudding"? Certainly more so than some of their contemporaries, like Leo
Sayer or even Wings! I do not count the slow ballads in this, of course.
But all rock bands have ballads, including those others I have just named.
Leo Sayer is only marginally more rockish than Abba.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Moreover, if you cannot hear the guitar in ABBA's music, you either do not
listen closely enough, or do not know what to listen for. Again, I say this
without the intent to hurt your feelings. I have stressed over and over
that you surely have the ability to take in other forms of art with some
discernment.
I didn't say there wasn't guitar. Perhaps your eyes and dimming because
that's not what I said at all. However, a rock band like the early Beatles
were, or a hard rock band like AC/DC, sounds significantly different than
Abba.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I shall lay off of any further discussion of the Bee Gees, as this seems to
be rather a hot button issue with you. In my defense, please know that I
never accused you, if it can be called that, of thinking the Bee Gees
complicated.
Whatever.
--
Aaron Clausen
***@hotmail.com

"Will you kindly explain to me the reasons to debar individuals in certain
branches from rising by merit to commissioned rank? If a cook may rise, or a
steward, why not an electrical artificer or au ordnance rating or a
shipwright? If a telegraphist may rise, why not a painter? Apparently there
is no difficulty about painters rising in Germany!" - Winston Churchill
Dirk van der Heide
2004-12-14 06:26:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by AC
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:21:49 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by b***@vh52.com
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:58:56 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:42:34 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:29:22 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:33:44 -0500,
Post by Greg Henry
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Greg Henry
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Although they were not of my generation (I was born in the 1920s), I thought
ABBA a fairly entertaining act! The lyrics to "Fernando" were especially
poignant to me, for obvious reasons. They were certainly one of the more
palatable of the hard rock acts of the 1970s, and one of the few to become
television stars in their own right!
OK, OK! Sorry to drag the ABB-sters through the mud like that.
Don't be. Most of their music was amorphous crap. They had some pretty
neat production techniques (which was why Led Zeppelin headed off to Polar
Studios to record what would be their last album), but as far as music goes,
it stands out because it was the best in a sea of crapola. I find most of
their stuff pretty unlistenable.
Well, we are not all equipped with the sensitivity to appreciate certain
kinds of music, or to be receptive to its appeal to our emotions! Perhaps
you are more visually inclined, and would enjoy painting or sculpture. I
feel strongly that there is a category of art for everone, if we will only
take the time to discover it!
Are you always this patronizing and bumbling at insults? Are you actually
saying that if someone doesn't like Abba they don't appreciate music? What
a load of crap. I love music a'plenty; classical, blues, folk, rock and
even the odd country artist (almost totally from a few generations ago, this
pop-with-a-twang is rubbish).
Go listen to your Abba records.
Please do not be upset, I am only saying that different people can
appreciate different things! As your preferences tend toward the, shall we
say, earthier forms of music, perhaps you are not able to understand the
appeal of ABBA, with their layered vocal harmonies and use of the piano as
"front and center" instrument. As I have suggested, they were very much the
more melodically complex of the hard rock acts!
How the hell do you know what my tastes tend to? Believe me, I enjoy some
the Bee Gees harmonizations (though they pretty much went down the shitter
by the mid-70s). I'm quite able to appreciate the technical abilities of
the performers in Abba, and particularly the production talents, but the
music just doesn't work for me. It's not terribly good, and is very dated.
Oh, and you seem to have a very odd definition of "hard rock". My idea of
hard rock bands are Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple. John
Lennon did harder stuff than Abba ever did, and I wouldn't call him hard
rock. Abba is simply pop music, and damn little of it even vaguely
resembles rock.
I do wish you would not be angry with me. As I said before, I am not a
member of the "rock generation," as I assume you are. If I have an old
man's tastes, it is not to be helped!
I can only tell you that when I first heard ABBA, I understood them
immediately to be a hard rock band,
Hard rock bands are dominated by loud guitars, thudding, almost
percussion-like bass and loud drumming. Abba contains none of these things.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
but yet I could hear in their songs an
appeal to my generation's taste for developed harmony, dynamic tension, and
pleasing countermelody that set them off from their fellow rock
musicians--most of whom still looked to the primitive folk songs of
late-19th century American workingmen for their musical inspiration.
Abba isn't a rock band. I can't, off the top of my head, think of anything
Abba did that would, musically, be defined as rock and roll, or even vaguely
bluesy. They segued neatly into the Disco era, though I think resemblences
to Disco acts is only in passing.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I would include the Bee Gees in that latter category, by the way. Their
harmonies were quite simple and derived from the same shanty-song tradition
that most rock music does. This probably explains their appeal to you.
Again, please do not be upset with me as I do not mean to say that you are
not sophisticated! Sophistication takes different forms, in different
people, and that is one of the beautiful things about it. Yours surely lies
elsewhere than music.
I was not attempting to say that the Bee Gees made complex music, but rather
that I am not allergic to music that doesn't sit right on top of the rock
paradigm. Oh, and you're being ludicrously patronizing again, which is
funny, because you don't even seem to know what rock and roll is.
As I say, I do very much regret it if I have upset you, as it seems that I
have. It was not my intention to hurt your feelings.
It does seem to be your intention to try to read a great deal into the
tastes of someone you don't know.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I ask you to understand, though, that I bring a lifetime's experience in
music appreciation to this talk!
And yet you don't seem to know what hard rock is.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I am, as I say, an older fellow (in
"advanced middle age," as I prefer to call it), but I do know how to tell
one instrument apart from another, particularly piano from guitar. I was
not born in the Stone Age, after all! Percussion and bass, especially, have
not changed much mechanically in the last century.
The volume of them has. No one from the Big Band era used heavily distorted
guitars and bass. I doubt you would have heard Stairway to Heaven in 1955.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
And what sort of percussion and bass has ABBA, then, if not "loud" and
"thudding"? Certainly more so than some of their contemporaries, like Leo
Sayer or even Wings! I do not count the slow ballads in this, of course.
But all rock bands have ballads, including those others I have just named.
Leo Sayer is only marginally more rockish than Abba.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Moreover, if you cannot hear the guitar in ABBA's music, you either do not
listen closely enough, or do not know what to listen for. Again, I say this
without the intent to hurt your feelings. I have stressed over and over
that you surely have the ability to take in other forms of art with some
discernment.
I didn't say there wasn't guitar. Perhaps your eyes and dimming because
that's not what I said at all. However, a rock band like the early Beatles
were, or a hard rock band like AC/DC, sounds significantly different than
Abba.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I shall lay off of any further discussion of the Bee Gees, as this seems to
be rather a hot button issue with you. In my defense, please know that I
never accused you, if it can be called that, of thinking the Bee Gees
complicated.
Whatever.
Aaron, please do not be angry with me. I point out that ABBA has guitar
because you said that hard rock music is characterized by this instrument!
And ABBA uses it, so you cannot exclude them from hard rock on this basis.
Further, their drums and percussion are loud and, as you put it, "thudding."

I have only a passing acquaintance with the music of AC/DC, but I would
remind you that they sound as different from the Beatles as do the Beatles
from ABBA (or any of these from Leo Sayer). Yet if all of these are hard
rock, ABBA is as well, for the reasons presented above!

I am not sure why you feel the need to stress that the "volume" of
percussion and bass instruments has changed over the years. This has not in
any substantial way changed their timbral qualities or made them difficult
for a listener to recognize, any more so than turning up your record player
might change the tonal character of the song playing on it! Perhaps you
mean that they are played in a different register?

At any rate, I only mentioned percussion and bass to point out that I can
tell them when I hear them, despite my "advanced middle age"!

It is difficult to communicate sometimes across the gap separating the music
afficionado from the "pop" consumer, Aaron. This does not mean, though,
that I am unwilling to try. It is only a matter of finding a vocabulary
that we have in common, and agreeing to use it. I think it should quite
reward the effort, don't you?

Yours,
Dirk van der Heide
AC
2004-12-14 18:50:24 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:26:17 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Aaron, please do not be angry with me. I point out that ABBA has guitar
because you said that hard rock music is characterized by this instrument!
You're not reading what I wrote. Hard rock is frequently characterized by a
very loud, distorted guitar, bass and drums. Examples of hard rock songs
are Highway to Hell, the final half of Stairway to Heaven, White Room and I
would even include Revolution (not Revolution 1 from the White Album, but
the faster single version). Fernando, Dancing Queen and SOS sound nothing
like that.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
And ABBA uses it, so you cannot exclude them from hard rock on this basis.
Further, their drums and percussion are loud and, as you put it, "thudding."
Abba is not hard rock. Hard rock is bands like AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Black
Sabbath, Deep Purple, Cream and Jimmi Hendrix. Go listen to these guys, and
then tell me that they're in the same genre with pop bands like Abba.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I have only a passing acquaintance with the music of AC/DC, but I would
remind you that they sound as different from the Beatles as do the Beatles
from ABBA (or any of these from Leo Sayer). Yet if all of these are hard
rock, ABBA is as well, for the reasons presented above!
I'm beginning to wonder if you're just a troll. I can't believe anyone
posting to a group like this would be as ignorant of various forms of modern
music.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I am not sure why you feel the need to stress that the "volume" of
percussion and bass instruments has changed over the years. This has not in
any substantial way changed their timbral qualities or made them difficult
for a listener to recognize, any more so than turning up your record player
might change the tonal character of the song playing on it! Perhaps you
mean that they are played in a different register?
Perhaps I mean that you are largely ignorant of a major type of rock and
roll music whose roots can be found in the late 1960s but found its widest
expression in the 1970s. Abba isn't even a rock band, let alone a hard rock
band. Few if any of its songs reflect any kind of rock or blues
progressions. In fact, I can't think of any Abba songs that fit the mold.
I can, however, name damn near every AC/DC song, large numbers of Zeppelin
and Beatles songs that do fit this general pattern.

Abba isn't hard rock, it isn't even really rock.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
At any rate, I only mentioned percussion and bass to point out that I can
tell them when I hear them, despite my "advanced middle age"!
It's isn't the presence of percussion, which has been around a very long
time, but rather that rock, and even hard rock, have distinctive styles.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
It is difficult to communicate sometimes across the gap separating the music
afficionado from the "pop" consumer, Aaron. This does not mean, though,
that I am unwilling to try. It is only a matter of finding a vocabulary
that we have in common, and agreeing to use it. I think it should quite
reward the effort, don't you?
I think you don't know what you're talking about. I have a suspicion that
you are likely a troll, but it is possible that you are, in fact, nearly
completely ignorant of what constitutes rock music. If you wish to go
around proclaiming Abba a hard rock band, then I guarantee you will be
greeted with laughter whether it's a rock fan or an Abba fan.
--
Aaron Clausen
***@hotmail.com

"Will you kindly explain to me the reasons to debar individuals in certain
branches from rising by merit to commissioned rank? If a cook may rise, or a
steward, why not an electrical artificer or au ordnance rating or a
shipwright? If a telegraphist may rise, why not a painter? Apparently there
is no difficulty about painters rising in Germany!" - Winston Churchill
Dirk van der Heide
2004-12-15 07:00:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by AC
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:26:17 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Aaron, please do not be angry with me. I point out that ABBA has guitar
because you said that hard rock music is characterized by this instrument!
You're not reading what I wrote. Hard rock is frequently characterized by a
very loud, distorted guitar, bass and drums. Examples of hard rock songs
are Highway to Hell, the final half of Stairway to Heaven, White Room and I
would even include Revolution (not Revolution 1 from the White Album, but
the faster single version). Fernando, Dancing Queen and SOS sound nothing
like that.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
And ABBA uses it, so you cannot exclude them from hard rock on this basis.
Further, their drums and percussion are loud and, as you put it, "thudding."
Abba is not hard rock. Hard rock is bands like AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Black
Sabbath, Deep Purple, Cream and Jimmi Hendrix. Go listen to these guys, and
then tell me that they're in the same genre with pop bands like Abba.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I have only a passing acquaintance with the music of AC/DC, but I would
remind you that they sound as different from the Beatles as do the Beatles
from ABBA (or any of these from Leo Sayer). Yet if all of these are hard
rock, ABBA is as well, for the reasons presented above!
I'm beginning to wonder if you're just a troll. I can't believe anyone
posting to a group like this would be as ignorant of various forms of modern
music.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I am not sure why you feel the need to stress that the "volume" of
percussion and bass instruments has changed over the years. This has not in
any substantial way changed their timbral qualities or made them difficult
for a listener to recognize, any more so than turning up your record player
might change the tonal character of the song playing on it! Perhaps you
mean that they are played in a different register?
Perhaps I mean that you are largely ignorant of a major type of rock and
roll music whose roots can be found in the late 1960s but found its widest
expression in the 1970s. Abba isn't even a rock band, let alone a hard rock
band. Few if any of its songs reflect any kind of rock or blues
progressions. In fact, I can't think of any Abba songs that fit the mold.
I can, however, name damn near every AC/DC song, large numbers of Zeppelin
and Beatles songs that do fit this general pattern.
Abba isn't hard rock, it isn't even really rock.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
At any rate, I only mentioned percussion and bass to point out that I can
tell them when I hear them, despite my "advanced middle age"!
It's isn't the presence of percussion, which has been around a very long
time, but rather that rock, and even hard rock, have distinctive styles.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
It is difficult to communicate sometimes across the gap separating the music
afficionado from the "pop" consumer, Aaron. This does not mean, though,
that I am unwilling to try. It is only a matter of finding a vocabulary
that we have in common, and agreeing to use it. I think it should quite
reward the effort, don't you?
I think you don't know what you're talking about. I have a suspicion that
you are likely a troll, but it is possible that you are, in fact, nearly
completely ignorant of what constitutes rock music. If you wish to go
around proclaiming Abba a hard rock band, then I guarantee you will be
greeted with laughter whether it's a rock fan or an Abba fan.
Aaron, I wish that we could have this discussion without anger or personal
insult. I have always enjoyed music, and I was always eager to discuss it
with anybody who cared to listen whether young or old. Perhaps I am naive
to assume that good will alone can assure understanding, in this way.

If you smile at me I will understand
'Cause that is something everybody everywhere does
In the same language
(David Crosby / Stephen Stills)

I am not sure how I can explain to you, without further inviting your
resentment, precisely why you are wrong about ABBA's instrumentation, but I
would be willing to try under calmer circumstances.

I know about rock guitar, Aaron, although I certainly do not play one! I
mean to say that I understand how a rock guitar owes its unique sound to the
player purposefully driving the output stage of his valve amplifier to
"clip" (this is something we avoided, of course, in the business of
designing high-fidelity amplifiers for the home!), and I know this
coloration when I hear it.

The amplifiers are driven harder in some ABBA songs than in the one AC/DC
song I have heard, certainly harder than most Beatles songs.

(I have read that the guitarist of AC/DC uses a Marshall amplifier. These
use an EL34 power tube, which gives a harmonically rich and
"bright"--pronounced upper midrange--tone when driven to clipping. Perhaps
this is why you perceive it as more "distorted" than it is.)

There is much more that I can say, but I fear I have insulted you enough,
quite without meaning to, and I now begin to regret my earlier zeal to
instruct you in music appreciation. As I say, at some later date perhaps I
can help you in this regard! For now, I wish you good luck and a wonderful
day tomorrow.

Yours sincerely,
Dirk van der Heide
AC
2004-12-15 15:18:40 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:00:02 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:26:17 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Aaron, please do not be angry with me. I point out that ABBA has guitar
because you said that hard rock music is characterized by this instrument!
You're not reading what I wrote. Hard rock is frequently characterized by a
very loud, distorted guitar, bass and drums. Examples of hard rock songs
are Highway to Hell, the final half of Stairway to Heaven, White Room and I
would even include Revolution (not Revolution 1 from the White Album, but
the faster single version). Fernando, Dancing Queen and SOS sound nothing
like that.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
And ABBA uses it, so you cannot exclude them from hard rock on this basis.
Further, their drums and percussion are loud and, as you put it, "thudding."
Abba is not hard rock. Hard rock is bands like AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Black
Sabbath, Deep Purple, Cream and Jimmi Hendrix. Go listen to these guys, and
then tell me that they're in the same genre with pop bands like Abba.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I have only a passing acquaintance with the music of AC/DC, but I would
remind you that they sound as different from the Beatles as do the Beatles
from ABBA (or any of these from Leo Sayer). Yet if all of these are hard
rock, ABBA is as well, for the reasons presented above!
I'm beginning to wonder if you're just a troll. I can't believe anyone
posting to a group like this would be as ignorant of various forms of modern
music.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I am not sure why you feel the need to stress that the "volume" of
percussion and bass instruments has changed over the years. This has not in
any substantial way changed their timbral qualities or made them difficult
for a listener to recognize, any more so than turning up your record player
might change the tonal character of the song playing on it! Perhaps you
mean that they are played in a different register?
Perhaps I mean that you are largely ignorant of a major type of rock and
roll music whose roots can be found in the late 1960s but found its widest
expression in the 1970s. Abba isn't even a rock band, let alone a hard rock
band. Few if any of its songs reflect any kind of rock or blues
progressions. In fact, I can't think of any Abba songs that fit the mold.
I can, however, name damn near every AC/DC song, large numbers of Zeppelin
and Beatles songs that do fit this general pattern.
Abba isn't hard rock, it isn't even really rock.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
At any rate, I only mentioned percussion and bass to point out that I can
tell them when I hear them, despite my "advanced middle age"!
It's isn't the presence of percussion, which has been around a very long
time, but rather that rock, and even hard rock, have distinctive styles.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
It is difficult to communicate sometimes across the gap separating the music
afficionado from the "pop" consumer, Aaron. This does not mean, though,
that I am unwilling to try. It is only a matter of finding a vocabulary
that we have in common, and agreeing to use it. I think it should quite
reward the effort, don't you?
I think you don't know what you're talking about. I have a suspicion that
you are likely a troll, but it is possible that you are, in fact, nearly
completely ignorant of what constitutes rock music. If you wish to go
around proclaiming Abba a hard rock band, then I guarantee you will be
greeted with laughter whether it's a rock fan or an Abba fan.
Aaron, I wish that we could have this discussion without anger or personal
insult. I have always enjoyed music, and I was always eager to discuss it
with anybody who cared to listen whether young or old. Perhaps I am naive
to assume that good will alone can assure understanding, in this way.
If you smile at me I will understand
'Cause that is something everybody everywhere does
In the same language
(David Crosby / Stephen Stills)
I am not sure how I can explain to you, without further inviting your
resentment, precisely why you are wrong about ABBA's instrumentation, but I
would be willing to try under calmer circumstances.
I know about rock guitar, Aaron, although I certainly do not play one! I
mean to say that I understand how a rock guitar owes its unique sound to the
player purposefully driving the output stage of his valve amplifier to
"clip" (this is something we avoided, of course, in the business of
designing high-fidelity amplifiers for the home!), and I know this
coloration when I hear it.
The amplifiers are driven harder in some ABBA songs than in the one AC/DC
song I have heard, certainly harder than most Beatles songs.
(I have read that the guitarist of AC/DC uses a Marshall amplifier. These
use an EL34 power tube, which gives a harmonically rich and
"bright"--pronounced upper midrange--tone when driven to clipping. Perhaps
this is why you perceive it as more "distorted" than it is.)
There is much more that I can say, but I fear I have insulted you enough,
quite without meaning to, and I now begin to regret my earlier zeal to
instruct you in music appreciation. As I say, at some later date perhaps I
can help you in this regard! For now, I wish you good luck and a wonderful
day tomorrow.
Piss off. I don't need the help of someone who doesn't even know what
constitutes a hard rock song "instructing" me.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Yours sincerely,
Go to an Abba newsgroup and tell them they listen to hard rock. This is an
open challenge. I bet you won't do it, however. But in case you have the
courage or you're not just a troll, it's alt.music.abba.
--
Aaron Clausen
***@hotmail.com

"Will you kindly explain to me the reasons to debar individuals in certain
branches from rising by merit to commissioned rank? If a cook may rise, or a
steward, why not an electrical artificer or au ordnance rating or a
shipwright? If a telegraphist may rise, why not a painter? Apparently there
is no difficulty about painters rising in Germany!" - Winston Churchill
Dirk van der Heide
2004-12-15 18:54:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by AC
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:00:02 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:26:17 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Aaron, please do not be angry with me. I point out that ABBA has guitar
because you said that hard rock music is characterized by this instrument!
You're not reading what I wrote. Hard rock is frequently characterized by a
very loud, distorted guitar, bass and drums. Examples of hard rock songs
are Highway to Hell, the final half of Stairway to Heaven, White Room and I
would even include Revolution (not Revolution 1 from the White Album, but
the faster single version). Fernando, Dancing Queen and SOS sound nothing
like that.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
And ABBA uses it, so you cannot exclude them from hard rock on this basis.
Further, their drums and percussion are loud and, as you put it, "thudding."
Abba is not hard rock. Hard rock is bands like AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Black
Sabbath, Deep Purple, Cream and Jimmi Hendrix. Go listen to these guys, and
then tell me that they're in the same genre with pop bands like Abba.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I have only a passing acquaintance with the music of AC/DC, but I would
remind you that they sound as different from the Beatles as do the Beatles
from ABBA (or any of these from Leo Sayer). Yet if all of these are hard
rock, ABBA is as well, for the reasons presented above!
I'm beginning to wonder if you're just a troll. I can't believe anyone
posting to a group like this would be as ignorant of various forms of modern
music.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I am not sure why you feel the need to stress that the "volume" of
percussion and bass instruments has changed over the years. This has not in
any substantial way changed their timbral qualities or made them difficult
for a listener to recognize, any more so than turning up your record player
might change the tonal character of the song playing on it! Perhaps you
mean that they are played in a different register?
Perhaps I mean that you are largely ignorant of a major type of rock and
roll music whose roots can be found in the late 1960s but found its widest
expression in the 1970s. Abba isn't even a rock band, let alone a hard rock
band. Few if any of its songs reflect any kind of rock or blues
progressions. In fact, I can't think of any Abba songs that fit the mold.
I can, however, name damn near every AC/DC song, large numbers of Zeppelin
and Beatles songs that do fit this general pattern.
Abba isn't hard rock, it isn't even really rock.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
At any rate, I only mentioned percussion and bass to point out that I can
tell them when I hear them, despite my "advanced middle age"!
It's isn't the presence of percussion, which has been around a very long
time, but rather that rock, and even hard rock, have distinctive styles.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
It is difficult to communicate sometimes across the gap separating the music
afficionado from the "pop" consumer, Aaron. This does not mean, though,
that I am unwilling to try. It is only a matter of finding a vocabulary
that we have in common, and agreeing to use it. I think it should quite
reward the effort, don't you?
I think you don't know what you're talking about. I have a suspicion that
you are likely a troll, but it is possible that you are, in fact, nearly
completely ignorant of what constitutes rock music. If you wish to go
around proclaiming Abba a hard rock band, then I guarantee you will be
greeted with laughter whether it's a rock fan or an Abba fan.
Aaron, I wish that we could have this discussion without anger or personal
insult. I have always enjoyed music, and I was always eager to discuss it
with anybody who cared to listen whether young or old. Perhaps I am naive
to assume that good will alone can assure understanding, in this way.
If you smile at me I will understand
'Cause that is something everybody everywhere does
In the same language
(David Crosby / Stephen Stills)
I am not sure how I can explain to you, without further inviting your
resentment, precisely why you are wrong about ABBA's instrumentation, but I
would be willing to try under calmer circumstances.
I know about rock guitar, Aaron, although I certainly do not play one! I
mean to say that I understand how a rock guitar owes its unique sound to the
player purposefully driving the output stage of his valve amplifier to
"clip" (this is something we avoided, of course, in the business of
designing high-fidelity amplifiers for the home!), and I know this
coloration when I hear it.
The amplifiers are driven harder in some ABBA songs than in the one AC/DC
song I have heard, certainly harder than most Beatles songs.
(I have read that the guitarist of AC/DC uses a Marshall amplifier. These
use an EL34 power tube, which gives a harmonically rich and
"bright"--pronounced upper midrange--tone when driven to clipping. Perhaps
this is why you perceive it as more "distorted" than it is.)
There is much more that I can say, but I fear I have insulted you enough,
quite without meaning to, and I now begin to regret my earlier zeal to
instruct you in music appreciation. As I say, at some later date perhaps I
can help you in this regard! For now, I wish you good luck and a wonderful
day tomorrow.
Piss off. I don't need the help of someone who doesn't even know what
constitutes a hard rock song "instructing" me.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Yours sincerely,
Go to an Abba newsgroup and tell them they listen to hard rock. This is an
open challenge. I bet you won't do it, however. But in case you have the
courage or you're not just a troll, it's alt.music.abba.
I see that alt.music.abba is not a very active board. Later today, I will
post a message to the group asking them for their opinions, and I shall let
you know what they say!

Again, I apologize for upsetting you so.

Regards,
Dirk van der Heide
Dirk van der Heide
2004-12-17 06:14:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:00:02 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:26:17 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Aaron, please do not be angry with me. I point out that ABBA has guitar
because you said that hard rock music is characterized by this instrument!
You're not reading what I wrote. Hard rock is frequently characterized by a
very loud, distorted guitar, bass and drums. Examples of hard rock songs
are Highway to Hell, the final half of Stairway to Heaven, White Room and I
would even include Revolution (not Revolution 1 from the White Album, but
the faster single version). Fernando, Dancing Queen and SOS sound nothing
like that.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
And ABBA uses it, so you cannot exclude them from hard rock on this basis.
Further, their drums and percussion are loud and, as you put it, "thudding."
Abba is not hard rock. Hard rock is bands like AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Black
Sabbath, Deep Purple, Cream and Jimmi Hendrix. Go listen to these guys, and
then tell me that they're in the same genre with pop bands like Abba.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I have only a passing acquaintance with the music of AC/DC, but I would
remind you that they sound as different from the Beatles as do the Beatles
from ABBA (or any of these from Leo Sayer). Yet if all of these are hard
rock, ABBA is as well, for the reasons presented above!
I'm beginning to wonder if you're just a troll. I can't believe anyone
posting to a group like this would be as ignorant of various forms of modern
music.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I am not sure why you feel the need to stress that the "volume" of
percussion and bass instruments has changed over the years. This has not in
any substantial way changed their timbral qualities or made them difficult
for a listener to recognize, any more so than turning up your record player
might change the tonal character of the song playing on it! Perhaps you
mean that they are played in a different register?
Perhaps I mean that you are largely ignorant of a major type of rock and
roll music whose roots can be found in the late 1960s but found its widest
expression in the 1970s. Abba isn't even a rock band, let alone a hard rock
band. Few if any of its songs reflect any kind of rock or blues
progressions. In fact, I can't think of any Abba songs that fit the mold.
I can, however, name damn near every AC/DC song, large numbers of Zeppelin
and Beatles songs that do fit this general pattern.
Abba isn't hard rock, it isn't even really rock.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
At any rate, I only mentioned percussion and bass to point out that I can
tell them when I hear them, despite my "advanced middle age"!
It's isn't the presence of percussion, which has been around a very long
time, but rather that rock, and even hard rock, have distinctive styles.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
It is difficult to communicate sometimes across the gap separating the music
afficionado from the "pop" consumer, Aaron. This does not mean, though,
that I am unwilling to try. It is only a matter of finding a vocabulary
that we have in common, and agreeing to use it. I think it should quite
reward the effort, don't you?
I think you don't know what you're talking about. I have a suspicion that
you are likely a troll, but it is possible that you are, in fact, nearly
completely ignorant of what constitutes rock music. If you wish to go
around proclaiming Abba a hard rock band, then I guarantee you will be
greeted with laughter whether it's a rock fan or an Abba fan.
Aaron, I wish that we could have this discussion without anger or personal
insult. I have always enjoyed music, and I was always eager to discuss it
with anybody who cared to listen whether young or old. Perhaps I am naive
to assume that good will alone can assure understanding, in this way.
If you smile at me I will understand
'Cause that is something everybody everywhere does
In the same language
(David Crosby / Stephen Stills)
I am not sure how I can explain to you, without further inviting your
resentment, precisely why you are wrong about ABBA's instrumentation, but I
would be willing to try under calmer circumstances.
I know about rock guitar, Aaron, although I certainly do not play one! I
mean to say that I understand how a rock guitar owes its unique sound to the
player purposefully driving the output stage of his valve amplifier to
"clip" (this is something we avoided, of course, in the business of
designing high-fidelity amplifiers for the home!), and I know this
coloration when I hear it.
The amplifiers are driven harder in some ABBA songs than in the one AC/DC
song I have heard, certainly harder than most Beatles songs.
(I have read that the guitarist of AC/DC uses a Marshall amplifier. These
use an EL34 power tube, which gives a harmonically rich and
"bright"--pronounced upper midrange--tone when driven to clipping. Perhaps
this is why you perceive it as more "distorted" than it is.)
There is much more that I can say, but I fear I have insulted you enough,
quite without meaning to, and I now begin to regret my earlier zeal to
instruct you in music appreciation. As I say, at some later date perhaps I
can help you in this regard! For now, I wish you good luck and a wonderful
day tomorrow.
Piss off. I don't need the help of someone who doesn't even know what
constitutes a hard rock song "instructing" me.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Yours sincerely,
Go to an Abba newsgroup and tell them they listen to hard rock. This is an
open challenge. I bet you won't do it, however. But in case you have the
courage or you're not just a troll, it's alt.music.abba.
I see that alt.music.abba is not a very active board. Later today, I will
post a message to the group asking them for their opinions, and I shall let
you know what they say!
Again, I apologize for upsetting you so.
Regards,
Dirk van der Heide
Update: I have submitted my message to the alt.music.abba group, and I will
check back tomorrow for responses. Please do not think that I have
forgotten! Have a good night.
Gernot Hassenpflug
2004-12-15 20:05:58 UTC
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AC> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:00:02 -0800,
AC> Dirk van der Heide <***@vanderhei.de> wrote:

Yeah, well, Aaron, I pity you for the fool that used up your time. And
ours, here on r.a.m. I like your signature, about the only thing
in the thread of relevance to this group....

AC> "Will you kindly explain to me the reasons to debar
AC> individuals in certain branches from rising by merit to
AC> commissioned rank? If a cook may rise, or a steward, why not
AC> an electrical artificer or au ordnance rating or a shipwright?
AC> If a telegraphist may rise, why not a painter? Apparently
AC> there is no difficulty about painters rising in Germany!" -
AC> Winston Churchill
--
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±
2004-12-16 10:23:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:26:17 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Aaron, please do not be angry with me. I point out that ABBA has guitar
because you said that hard rock music is characterized by this instrument!
You're not reading what I wrote. Hard rock is frequently characterized by a
very loud, distorted guitar, bass and drums. Examples of hard rock songs
are Highway to Hell, the final half of Stairway to Heaven, White Room and I
would even include Revolution (not Revolution 1 from the White Album, but
the faster single version). Fernando, Dancing Queen and SOS sound nothing
like that.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
And ABBA uses it, so you cannot exclude them from hard rock on this basis.
Further, their drums and percussion are loud and, as you put it, "thudding."
Abba is not hard rock. Hard rock is bands like AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Black
Sabbath, Deep Purple, Cream and Jimmi Hendrix. Go listen to these guys, and
then tell me that they're in the same genre with pop bands like Abba.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I have only a passing acquaintance with the music of AC/DC, but I would
remind you that they sound as different from the Beatles as do the Beatles
from ABBA (or any of these from Leo Sayer). Yet if all of these are hard
rock, ABBA is as well, for the reasons presented above!
I'm beginning to wonder if you're just a troll. I can't believe anyone
posting to a group like this would be as ignorant of various forms of modern
music.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I am not sure why you feel the need to stress that the "volume" of
percussion and bass instruments has changed over the years. This has not in
any substantial way changed their timbral qualities or made them difficult
for a listener to recognize, any more so than turning up your record player
might change the tonal character of the song playing on it! Perhaps you
mean that they are played in a different register?
Perhaps I mean that you are largely ignorant of a major type of rock and
roll music whose roots can be found in the late 1960s but found its widest
expression in the 1970s. Abba isn't even a rock band, let alone a hard rock
band. Few if any of its songs reflect any kind of rock or blues
progressions. In fact, I can't think of any Abba songs that fit the mold.
I can, however, name damn near every AC/DC song, large numbers of Zeppelin
and Beatles songs that do fit this general pattern.
Abba isn't hard rock, it isn't even really rock.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
At any rate, I only mentioned percussion and bass to point out that I can
tell them when I hear them, despite my "advanced middle age"!
It's isn't the presence of percussion, which has been around a very long
time, but rather that rock, and even hard rock, have distinctive styles.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
It is difficult to communicate sometimes across the gap separating the music
afficionado from the "pop" consumer, Aaron. This does not mean, though,
that I am unwilling to try. It is only a matter of finding a vocabulary
that we have in common, and agreeing to use it. I think it should quite
reward the effort, don't you?
I think you don't know what you're talking about. I have a suspicion that
you are likely a troll, but it is possible that you are, in fact, nearly
completely ignorant of what constitutes rock music. If you wish to go
around proclaiming Abba a hard rock band, then I guarantee you will be
greeted with laughter whether it's a rock fan or an Abba fan.
Aaron, I wish that we could have this discussion without anger or personal
insult. I have always enjoyed music, and I was always eager to discuss it
with anybody who cared to listen whether young or old. Perhaps I am naive
to assume that good will alone can assure understanding, in this way.
If you smile at me I will understand
'Cause that is something everybody everywhere does
In the same language
(David Crosby / Stephen Stills)
I am not sure how I can explain to you, without further inviting your
resentment, precisely why you are wrong about ABBA's instrumentation, but I
would be willing to try under calmer circumstances.
I know about rock guitar, Aaron, although I certainly do not play one! I
mean to say that I understand how a rock guitar owes its unique sound to the
player purposefully driving the output stage of his valve amplifier to
"clip" (this is something we avoided, of course, in the business of
designing high-fidelity amplifiers for the home!), and I know this
coloration when I hear it.
The amplifiers are driven harder in some ABBA songs than in the one AC/DC
song I have heard, certainly harder than most Beatles songs.
(I have read that the guitarist of AC/DC uses a Marshall amplifier. These
use an EL34 power tube, which gives a harmonically rich and
"bright"--pronounced upper midrange--tone when driven to clipping. Perhaps
this is why you perceive it as more "distorted" than it is.)
There is much more that I can say, but I fear I have insulted you enough,
quite without meaning to, and I now begin to regret my earlier zeal to
instruct you in music appreciation. As I say, at some later date perhaps I
can help you in this regard! For now, I wish you good luck and a wonderful
day tomorrow.
Yours sincerely,
Dirk van der Heide
Be careful of blockquote.
--
http://www.bedoper.com/snuh



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| (@) | | SnuH |
| (O) | \_ ___/
| / | ||
| \ /_ / //
\ \____/ / /
\ /
\_____,
Dirk van der Heide
2004-12-17 06:16:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by ±
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:26:17 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Aaron, please do not be angry with me. I point out that ABBA has guitar
because you said that hard rock music is characterized by this instrument!
You're not reading what I wrote. Hard rock is frequently characterized by a
very loud, distorted guitar, bass and drums. Examples of hard rock songs
are Highway to Hell, the final half of Stairway to Heaven, White Room and I
would even include Revolution (not Revolution 1 from the White Album, but
the faster single version). Fernando, Dancing Queen and SOS sound nothing
like that.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
And ABBA uses it, so you cannot exclude them from hard rock on this basis.
Further, their drums and percussion are loud and, as you put it, "thudding."
Abba is not hard rock. Hard rock is bands like AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Black
Sabbath, Deep Purple, Cream and Jimmi Hendrix. Go listen to these guys, and
then tell me that they're in the same genre with pop bands like Abba.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I have only a passing acquaintance with the music of AC/DC, but I would
remind you that they sound as different from the Beatles as do the Beatles
from ABBA (or any of these from Leo Sayer). Yet if all of these are hard
rock, ABBA is as well, for the reasons presented above!
I'm beginning to wonder if you're just a troll. I can't believe anyone
posting to a group like this would be as ignorant of various forms of modern
music.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I am not sure why you feel the need to stress that the "volume" of
percussion and bass instruments has changed over the years. This has not in
any substantial way changed their timbral qualities or made them difficult
for a listener to recognize, any more so than turning up your record player
might change the tonal character of the song playing on it! Perhaps you
mean that they are played in a different register?
Perhaps I mean that you are largely ignorant of a major type of rock and
roll music whose roots can be found in the late 1960s but found its widest
expression in the 1970s. Abba isn't even a rock band, let alone a hard rock
band. Few if any of its songs reflect any kind of rock or blues
progressions. In fact, I can't think of any Abba songs that fit the mold.
I can, however, name damn near every AC/DC song, large numbers of Zeppelin
and Beatles songs that do fit this general pattern.
Abba isn't hard rock, it isn't even really rock.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
At any rate, I only mentioned percussion and bass to point out that I can
tell them when I hear them, despite my "advanced middle age"!
It's isn't the presence of percussion, which has been around a very long
time, but rather that rock, and even hard rock, have distinctive styles.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
It is difficult to communicate sometimes across the gap separating the music
afficionado from the "pop" consumer, Aaron. This does not mean, though,
that I am unwilling to try. It is only a matter of finding a vocabulary
that we have in common, and agreeing to use it. I think it should quite
reward the effort, don't you?
I think you don't know what you're talking about. I have a suspicion that
you are likely a troll, but it is possible that you are, in fact, nearly
completely ignorant of what constitutes rock music. If you wish to go
around proclaiming Abba a hard rock band, then I guarantee you will be
greeted with laughter whether it's a rock fan or an Abba fan.
Aaron, I wish that we could have this discussion without anger or personal
insult. I have always enjoyed music, and I was always eager to discuss it
with anybody who cared to listen whether young or old. Perhaps I am naive
to assume that good will alone can assure understanding, in this way.
If you smile at me I will understand
'Cause that is something everybody everywhere does
In the same language
(David Crosby / Stephen Stills)
I am not sure how I can explain to you, without further inviting your
resentment, precisely why you are wrong about ABBA's instrumentation, but I
would be willing to try under calmer circumstances.
I know about rock guitar, Aaron, although I certainly do not play one! I
mean to say that I understand how a rock guitar owes its unique sound to the
player purposefully driving the output stage of his valve amplifier to
"clip" (this is something we avoided, of course, in the business of
designing high-fidelity amplifiers for the home!), and I know this
coloration when I hear it.
The amplifiers are driven harder in some ABBA songs than in the one AC/DC
song I have heard, certainly harder than most Beatles songs.
(I have read that the guitarist of AC/DC uses a Marshall amplifier. These
use an EL34 power tube, which gives a harmonically rich and
"bright"--pronounced upper midrange--tone when driven to clipping. Perhaps
this is why you perceive it as more "distorted" than it is.)
There is much more that I can say, but I fear I have insulted you enough,
quite without meaning to, and I now begin to regret my earlier zeal to
instruct you in music appreciation. As I say, at some later date perhaps I
can help you in this regard! For now, I wish you good luck and a wonderful
day tomorrow.
Yours sincerely,
Dirk van der Heide
Be careful of blockquote.
Why? Is it thought to be confusing to the reader?
±
2004-12-17 06:27:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by ±
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by AC
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:26:17 -0800,
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Aaron, please do not be angry with me. I point out that ABBA has guitar
because you said that hard rock music is characterized by this instrument!
You're not reading what I wrote. Hard rock is frequently characterized by a
very loud, distorted guitar, bass and drums. Examples of hard rock songs
are Highway to Hell, the final half of Stairway to Heaven, White Room and I
would even include Revolution (not Revolution 1 from the White Album, but
the faster single version). Fernando, Dancing Queen and SOS sound nothing
like that.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
And ABBA uses it, so you cannot exclude them from hard rock on this basis.
Further, their drums and percussion are loud and, as you put it, "thudding."
Abba is not hard rock. Hard rock is bands like AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Black
Sabbath, Deep Purple, Cream and Jimmi Hendrix. Go listen to these guys, and
then tell me that they're in the same genre with pop bands like Abba.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I have only a passing acquaintance with the music of AC/DC, but I would
remind you that they sound as different from the Beatles as do the Beatles
from ABBA (or any of these from Leo Sayer). Yet if all of these are hard
rock, ABBA is as well, for the reasons presented above!
I'm beginning to wonder if you're just a troll. I can't believe anyone
posting to a group like this would be as ignorant of various forms of modern
music.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
I am not sure why you feel the need to stress that the "volume" of
percussion and bass instruments has changed over the years. This has not in
any substantial way changed their timbral qualities or made them difficult
for a listener to recognize, any more so than turning up your record player
might change the tonal character of the song playing on it! Perhaps you
mean that they are played in a different register?
Perhaps I mean that you are largely ignorant of a major type of rock and
roll music whose roots can be found in the late 1960s but found its widest
expression in the 1970s. Abba isn't even a rock band, let alone a hard rock
band. Few if any of its songs reflect any kind of rock or blues
progressions. In fact, I can't think of any Abba songs that fit the mold.
I can, however, name damn near every AC/DC song, large numbers of Zeppelin
and Beatles songs that do fit this general pattern.
Abba isn't hard rock, it isn't even really rock.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
At any rate, I only mentioned percussion and bass to point out that I can
tell them when I hear them, despite my "advanced middle age"!
It's isn't the presence of percussion, which has been around a very long
time, but rather that rock, and even hard rock, have distinctive styles.
Post by Dirk van der Heide
It is difficult to communicate sometimes across the gap separating the music
afficionado from the "pop" consumer, Aaron. This does not mean, though,
that I am unwilling to try. It is only a matter of finding a vocabulary
that we have in common, and agreeing to use it. I think it should quite
reward the effort, don't you?
I think you don't know what you're talking about. I have a suspicion that
you are likely a troll, but it is possible that you are, in fact, nearly
completely ignorant of what constitutes rock music. If you wish to go
around proclaiming Abba a hard rock band, then I guarantee you will be
greeted with laughter whether it's a rock fan or an Abba fan.
Aaron, I wish that we could have this discussion without anger or personal
insult. I have always enjoyed music, and I was always eager to discuss it
with anybody who cared to listen whether young or old. Perhaps I am naive
to assume that good will alone can assure understanding, in this way.
If you smile at me I will understand
'Cause that is something everybody everywhere does
In the same language
(David Crosby / Stephen Stills)
I am not sure how I can explain to you, without further inviting your
resentment, precisely why you are wrong about ABBA's instrumentation, but I
would be willing to try under calmer circumstances.
I know about rock guitar, Aaron, although I certainly do not play one! I
mean to say that I understand how a rock guitar owes its unique sound to the
player purposefully driving the output stage of his valve amplifier to
"clip" (this is something we avoided, of course, in the business of
designing high-fidelity amplifiers for the home!), and I know this
coloration when I hear it.
The amplifiers are driven harder in some ABBA songs than in the one AC/DC
song I have heard, certainly harder than most Beatles songs.
(I have read that the guitarist of AC/DC uses a Marshall amplifier. These
use an EL34 power tube, which gives a harmonically rich and
"bright"--pronounced upper midrange--tone when driven to clipping. Perhaps
this is why you perceive it as more "distorted" than it is.)
There is much more that I can say, but I fear I have insulted you enough,
quite without meaning to, and I now begin to regret my earlier zeal to
instruct you in music appreciation. As I say, at some later date perhaps I
can help you in this regard! For now, I wish you good luck and a wonderful
day tomorrow.
Yours sincerely,
Dirk van der Heide
Be careful of blockquote.
Why? Is it thought to be confusing to the reader?
Just the opposite.
--
http://www.bedoper.com/snuh



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| (@) | | SnuH |
| (O) | \_ ___/
| / | ||
| \ /_ / //
\ \____/ / /
\ /
\_____,
Dirk van der Heide
2004-12-11 23:26:34 UTC
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Post by Greg Henry
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Greg Henry
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Although they were not of my generation (I was born in the 1920s), I thought
ABBA a fairly entertaining act! The lyrics to "Fernando" were especially
poignant to me, for obvious reasons. They were certainly one of the more
palatable of the hard rock acts of the 1970s, and one of the few to become
television stars in their own right!
OK, OK! Sorry to drag the ABB-sters through the mud like that.
That is quite all right, we all have our tastes! In my boyhood, in 1930s
Europe, there was little distinction between what one listened to and what
one's parents preferred. How different things are today!
MB's Stunt Bastard
2004-12-11 17:49:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Greg Henry
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Fuck him. Mag Bastard is someone that has too much time on his hands. He
probably lives in his mother's basement, smokes pot, masturbates
compulsively from downloading internet porn on Kazaa and iMesh. He can
dish it out but can't take it. He gets on here and talks shit, but when
everyone else gangs up on him and calls him on his shit, he goes crying
to his mommie.

I'm usually just a lurker here, but enough is enough.

MB you fucking pussy! Grow up!
Greg Henry
2004-12-11 23:05:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by MB's Stunt Bastard
Post by Greg Henry
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan
rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does
this whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives
or have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
Fuck him. Mag Bastard is someone that has too much time on his hands. He
probably lives in his mother's basement, smokes pot, masturbates
compulsively from downloading internet porn on Kazaa and iMesh. He can
dish it out but can't take it. He gets on here and talks shit, but when
everyone else gangs up on him and calls him on his shit, he goes crying
to his mommie.
I'm usually just a lurker here, but enough is enough.
MB you fucking pussy! Grow up!
Hmm. So what's your point?
Dyuob Poltice
2004-12-12 01:24:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Greg Henry
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
there's an abba live box set?
Greg Henry
2004-12-12 01:28:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dyuob Poltice
Post by Greg Henry
This from a cross-posting schmuck who owns the ABBA Live box set.
there's an abba live box set?
Uh, actually, I sorta winged it on that one. Not really sure.
j***@turkeyturds.tv
2004-12-11 03:51:55 UTC
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Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
A few of my faves (not necessarily all "metal").....

George Lynch, Jake E. Lee, Reb Beach, Nuno Bettencourt, Tony MacAlpine,
Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Jerry Cantrell, Warren DiMartini, Yngwie, Dave
Navarro, Zakk Wylde, any of the Thin Lizzy guitarists i.e. Sykes and Gary
Moore (my fave band of all time).........

Halfway to 30......I'm sure there are more, that's all I could come up with
at the moment. I hate starting lists like this because I'm always leaving
someone obvious out.

MagB, do you play too?
Chocolate Jesus
2004-12-11 05:30:18 UTC
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Post by j***@turkeyturds.tv
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
A few of my faves (not necessarily all "metal").....
George Lynch,
just stop there.

lynch is the only one who has any idea of tone or taste.
Liqscrotus
2004-12-11 14:52:32 UTC
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Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
The Tin Man from Wizard of Oz, lol? The bullets would just bounce
right off him.
Dirk van der Heide
2004-12-11 23:24:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Liqscrotus
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
The Tin Man from Wizard of Oz, lol? The bullets would just bounce
right off him.
He's a good technical player, but I feel that his music lacks heart, lol?
Liqscrotus
2004-12-12 14:30:13 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:24:42 -0800, Dirk van der Heide
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Liqscrotus
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
The Tin Man from Wizard of Oz, lol? The bullets would just bounce
right off him.
He's a good technical player, but I feel that his music lacks heart, lol?
"Dick in yer hide", lol.
Dirk van der Heide
2004-12-13 04:43:49 UTC
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Post by Liqscrotus
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:24:42 -0800, Dirk van der Heide
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Liqscrotus
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
The Tin Man from Wizard of Oz, lol? The bullets would just bounce
right off him.
He's a good technical player, but I feel that his music lacks heart, lol?
"Dick in yer hide", lol.
You couldn't think of anything, lol.
Liqscrotus
2004-12-14 00:56:00 UTC
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:43:49 -0800, Dirk van der Heide
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Liqscrotus
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:24:42 -0800, Dirk van der Heide
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Liqscrotus
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
The Tin Man from Wizard of Oz, lol? The bullets would just bounce
right off him.
He's a good technical player, but I feel that his music lacks heart, lol?
"Dick in yer hide", lol.
You couldn't think of anything, lol.
Not with my Dick in yer Hide, lol.
Dirk van der Heide
2004-12-14 05:24:19 UTC
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Post by Liqscrotus
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:43:49 -0800, Dirk van der Heide
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Liqscrotus
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:24:42 -0800, Dirk van der Heide
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Liqscrotus
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
The Tin Man from Wizard of Oz, lol? The bullets would just bounce
right off him.
He's a good technical player, but I feel that his music lacks heart, lol?
"Dick in yer hide", lol.
You couldn't think of anything, lol.
Not with my Dick in yer Hide, lol.
That's a very mediocre commodity, lol.
Wavy G
2004-12-18 00:52:29 UTC
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Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Liqscrotus
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:43:49 -0800, Dirk van der Heide
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Liqscrotus
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:24:42 -0800, Dirk van der Heide
Post by Dirk van der Heide
Post by Liqscrotus
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
The Tin Man from Wizard of Oz, lol? The bullets would just bounce
right off him.
He's a good technical player, but I feel that his music lacks heart, lol?
"Dick in yer hide", lol.
You couldn't think of anything, lol.
Not with my Dick in yer Hide, lol.
That's a very mediocre commodity, lol.
His stage presence is lacking. He's just so...I don't know, stiff.
LOL?
Chocolate Jesus
2004-12-11 05:27:23 UTC
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Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
LOL! good one!
Old Hippy
2004-12-11 09:37:42 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:01:03 -0500, The Magnificent Bastard
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
Post by Pantera Fan
But to compare Darrel or anyone from this genre which I love called
"Metal" or whatever to Lennon as far as "Touching many lives" is
absurd.
The Team of Lennon/Mcartney were arguably the greatest songwriting duo
popular music has ever seen!
Take a look at the grammy nominations, the # 1 debuts, and the sales
that Pantera had. Then you'll see that the comparison is not off base.
You're clueless
The Magnificent Bastard
2004-12-11 14:33:11 UTC
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:37:42 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Old Hippy rubs the
lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by Old Hippy
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:01:03 -0500, The Magnificent Bastard
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:53:32 GMT, in alt.tv.sopranos, Pantera Fan rubs
the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by Pantera Fan
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
What an idiot! It's a travesty what happened to Dime. But why you
would make such a statement means either that this poster is a troll
or just simply ignorant to the facts.
The facts are that Dime was an incredible technically gifted guitarist
and song writer. Just personally for me, probably one of my fave 20
or 30 metal guitarists.
Can you even name 30 decent metal guitarists?
Post by Pantera Fan
But to compare Darrel or anyone from this genre which I love called
"Metal" or whatever to Lennon as far as "Touching many lives" is
absurd.
The Team of Lennon/Mcartney were arguably the greatest songwriting duo
popular music has ever seen!
Take a look at the grammy nominations, the # 1 debuts, and the sales
that Pantera had. Then you'll see that the comparison is not off base.
You're clueless
No, I think you are.
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±
2004-12-10 09:59:44 UTC
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to be Muslim. That is what
Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" was really all about.32 Our clash,
their civilization. After September 11th, Bush Jr. himself proudly
boasted that he was going on a Crusade. Certainly that is the way the
Muslim world sees it. Remaking "world order" in America's imperialist
image, while fomenting world disorder in the process. In this relentless
quest and insatiable lust for oil and gas around the world, the United
States Power Elite is now in the process of destroying the entirety of
the international legal order that had been established by a predecessor
elitist generation running the United States government in the aftermath
of and in reaction to the genocidal horrors of the Second World War.33
Including and especially the United Nations Charter, as well as the
Nuremberg Charter, Judgment, and Principles, inter alia. All of which
had heretofore been the bedrock upon which the entirety of the
post-World War II international legal order rested.34 Nazi Ideology
Iraq had been continuously and illegally bombed by the United States and
the United Kingdom since the end of the Bush Sr. Gulf War in 1991 under
the pretext of enforcing unauthorized and clearly illegal no-fly
zones.35 But in order to accomplish their objective of seizing Iraq
outright, the Bush Jr. warmongers had to articulate another operational
rationale for a war of aggression that they could then sell to the
American People and Congress that was separate and apart from their
fatuous "war against international terrorism."36 So they resurrected the
long-ago discredited Nazi doctrine of "preventive warfare," once again
using the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001 as a pretext for doing
so. The first overt step in their plan was the Bush Jr. aggressive
threat to Iraq uttered during the course of his State of the Union
Address to the United States Congress on 29 January 2
BEST MAGGIE POST EVER!
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The Magnificent Bastard
2004-12-10 13:31:56 UTC
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 01:59:44 -0800, in alt.tv.sopranos, =?iso-8859-1?Q?
=B1?= rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It
does this whenever it's told -
Post by ±
to be Muslim. That is what
Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" was really all about.32 Our clash,
their civilization. After September 11th, Bush Jr. himself proudly
boasted that he was going on a Crusade. Certainly that is the way the
Muslim world sees it. Remaking "world order" in America's imperialist
image, while fomenting world disorder in the process. In this relentless
quest and insatiable lust for oil and gas around the world, the United
States Power Elite is now in the process of destroying the entirety of
the international legal order that had been established by a predecessor
elitist generation running the United States government in the aftermath
of and in reaction to the genocidal horrors of the Second World War.33
Including and especially the United Nations Charter, as well as the
Nuremberg Charter, Judgment, and Principles, inter alia. All of which
had heretofore been the bedrock upon which the entirety of the
post-World War II international legal order rested.34 Nazi Ideology
Iraq had been continuously and illegally bombed by the United States and
the United Kingdom since the end of the Bush Sr. Gulf War in 1991 under
the pretext of enforcing unauthorized and clearly illegal no-fly
zones.35 But in order to accomplish their objective of seizing Iraq
outright, the Bush Jr. warmongers had to articulate another operational
rationale for a war of aggression that they could then sell to the
American People and Congress that was separate and apart from their
fatuous "war against international terrorism."36 So they resurrected the
long-ago discredited Nazi doctrine of "preventive warfare," once again
using the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001 as a pretext for doing
so. The first overt step in their plan was the Bush Jr. aggressive
threat to Iraq uttered during the course of his State of the Union
Address to the United States Congress on 29 January 2
BEST MAGGIE POST EVER!
I wish I could claim credit, but it was an imposter.
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dig under rocks
2004-12-10 15:28:42 UTC
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Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
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S.
2004-12-19 11:29:22 UTC
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"The Magnificent Bastard" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in his usual
load of ethnocentric crap.............
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
What a twist of fate that two of the greatest musical performers of all
time were slain by a gun-wielding madman on the same date, 24 years
apart.
Oh really, who ?
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
Yes, you really ARE full of shit. Like I say, who ? ; how many records has
"Dimebag" sold in ..say....the Phillipines ?
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
Who was he? A nobody. Rap ? There's a letter missing off the front, and as a
hint, it's a "C" !

One less rapper. Hooray.
The Magnificent Bastard
2004-12-19 15:18:04 UTC
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On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:29:22 -0000, in alt.tv.sopranos, S. rubs the
lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by S.
load of ethnocentric crap.............
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
What a twist of fate that two of the greatest musical performers of all
time were slain by a gun-wielding madman on the same date, 24 years
apart.
Oh really, who ?
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
Yes, you really ARE full of shit. Like I say, who ? ; how many records has
"Dimebag" sold in ..say....the Phillipines ?
I don't know, but if you're really interested, you could contact his
record label or try to google something up.
Post by S.
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
Who was he? A nobody. Rap ? There's a letter missing off the front, and as a
hint, it's a "C" !
One less rapper. Hooray.
Boy are you dumb. He wasn't a rapper.
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Wavy G
2004-12-19 16:24:56 UTC
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Don't blame me. I voted for The Magnificent Bastard
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:29:22 -0000, in alt.tv.sopranos, S. rubs the
lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this
whenever it's told -
Post by S.
load of ethnocentric crap.............
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
What a twist of fate that two of the greatest musical performers of all
time were slain by a gun-wielding madman on the same date, 24 years
apart.
Oh really, who ?
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
Although Lennon was a great artist, he didn't touch as many lives or
have nearly the influence that Dimebag Darrell had.
Yes, you really ARE full of shit. Like I say, who ? ; how many records has
"Dimebag" sold in ..say....the Phillipines ?
I don't know, but if you're really interested, you could contact his
record label or try to google something up.
Post by S.
Post by The Magnificent Bastard
RIP Dimebag..........we'll miss you.
Who was he? A nobody. Rap ? There's a letter missing off the front, and as a
hint, it's a "C" !
One less rapper. Hooray.
Boy are you dumb. He wasn't a rapper.
WTF????
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